Friday, November 10, 2006

Bob Rae: The speech I'd like to hear...

Winnipeg Grit has a nasty little run at Bob Rae and his economic record today, a preview of what my Tory friends suggest their attack ads will look like.

It's fair comment. I lived through the Rae years in Ontario, and it was not a picnic. But let's remember it wasn't a picnic anywhere. It was a freaking mess.

But I am not sure it was all Bob's fault.

So here is the speech I'd like to hear from Bob Rae, if or when that fateful day comes.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

My fellow Canadians, there has been a lot said about my years as the Premier of Ontario. And I admit, they were difficult economic times.

They were difficult across the country, and frankly, around the globe.

Under my administration, Ontario's deficit grew.

It grew, just like it grew under the previous administrations - Conservative and Liberal - as we struggled to deal with the reprecussions of a global recession and ridiculous high-interest rate policy driven by the current Prime Minister's Conservative predecessor, Brian Mulroney.

You may say, 'that's ancient history' - and that may be true. But if I am to be accountable for my actions in the my first term almost 20 years ago, then let every be held to the same standard.

It was the worst recession since the Great Depression, and I will admit that mistakes were made.

At the time, I did what every other Premier did, I tried to stimulate growth by increasing spending.

I did not, however, do with with same resolve as my Federal Conservative colleagues who managed to drive the deficit to nearly $40 billion.

Even my government wasn't able to pull that off.

And I did not turn a $5 billion surplus - during one of the biggest economic booms in Ontario's history - into a $2 billion deficit.

If I'd done that, I wouldn't be running for Prime Minister, I would be Stephen Harper's Finance Minister - Jim Flaherty.

I did not cut provincial income taxes for Ontario residents and then demand Ottawa not adjust transfer payments - essentially arguing that those same Ontario taxpayers should hand over the cash as federal income taxes.

When I Ontario did get extra money for Healthcare, I did not spend the money on lawn mowers.

If I had, I'd be Stephen Harper's Health Minister, Tony Clement.

And at no time have I ever advocated that Ontario build a 'firewall' to cut off the province from the rest of Canada.

If I'd done that, I'd be the leader of the Conservative Party, Stephen Harper.

If we want to debate our collective record since the mid-80's bring it on, I say.

But it might be wiser to simply accept that we have all - as Mr. Harper likes to say - evolved, and try to debate our vision for the future.

6 comments:

Jan_ from_ BruceCounty said...

So does this mean the Liberals will quit bashing the Ontario NDP - from when Bob was its leader - during the worse recession since the depression - and Liberal govt downloaded their programs unto the provinces and decreased transfer payments - to reduce the federal deficit (incurred by the liberals/cons). Like you said, it was over 20 years ago, and it is time to move on.

lance said...

20 years ago? Umm, try again. October 1, 1990 – June 26, 1995. I mean, isn't that rounding up just a bit much? I was there.

Besides, its moot. No matter how much Rae tries to sell a "we were all in the same pot" message it won't wash.

This is an ad in itself:
"In 1990, the Ontario government enjoyed a $90 million surplus. This became, two years later, a $10,930 million deficit. In 1993 it grew by about $1,000 and the government expects that it will fall to $9,159 million in 1994. On account of these developments, the 1994 debt, at $78,628 million, will be twice as high as the 1990 debt."

Gov. Canada: here

On that site, read all of the Ontario section. Especial what areas increased so much that +10 became -90 and debt doubled.

Cheers,
lance

lance said...
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lance said...

Oops, +$90M to -$10B.

Cheers,
lance

Anonymous said...

It will certainly take some gymnastics to run away from his record. That said, it seems like Harper has done a good job of rendering moot anything that he said or did that was longer than a couple of years ago, so I guess it can be done.

David R. Amos said...

Here is something to consider

Remember me Garth?
Veritas Vincit
David Raymond Amos

By David Raymond Amos on 12.03.06 12:07 pm

Do you agree with what some of your fan club way out west says of me just before I sue the Crown?

http://bpofc.com/?p=109

http://bpofc.com/

http://intothecavern.blogspot.com/

Veritas Vincit
David Raymond Amos

By David Raymond Amos on 12.03.06 12:16 pm

You are too funny Garth Baby

—– Original Message —–
From: David Raymond Amos
To: kmdickson@comcast.net ; oldmaison@yahoo.com ; Stephane.vaillancourt@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ; dinoratt@telus.net ; Tkelly@usss.treas.gov ; mmagalski@usss.treas.gov ; rpetrosky@usss.treas.gov ; Bob.morehouse@doj.ca.gov ; Sheila.hatch@metrokc.gov ; jphillips@nw.hidta.org ; talvarez@ifb.org ; seheigle@uspis.gov ; lisa.palmieri@pol.state.ma.us ; sdorn@troopers.state.ny.us ; eunicemorant@yahoo.com ; mcclos1@isp.state.il.us ; hayley.giles@peel.police.on.ca ; Richard.jackson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ; heidie.firth@ccra-adrc.gc.ca ; bgray@riversidesheriff.org ; thaven@wsin.riss.net ; bill.brown@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ; jill.ebner@city.vancouver.bc.ca ; jenny.johnstone@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ; john.foran@gnb.ca ; giuliano.zaccardelli@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ; executive-editor@nytimes.com ; managing-editor@nytimes.com ; news-tips@nytimes.com ; bizday@nytimes.com ; foreign@nytimes.com ; national@nytimes.com
Cc: wayne.hanniman@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ; jjdiv.mcu@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ; rcmp.ccb.hdiv@ns.sympatico.ca ; Gregory.Lydon@usss.dhs.gov ; hightechcrime@usss.treas.gov ; mprewett@leo.gov ; art.fierro@dhs.gov ; craig.Caldwell@usss.dhs.gov ; tnowak@usss.treas.gov ; spickett@usss.treas.gov
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 9:51 PM
Subject: Do ya think the New York Times will pay attention to bloggers now Chucky?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/27/business/media/27blog.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

I doubt it too. So I will blog a news story about them and you and the CBC. That should do the trick N’est Pas? In fact most of it is the text of this email that will be found you know where. Why should I change my stle now EH? Here is where it is just in case the New York Times wants to hire some ethical journalists who know how to read. before Charles Leblanc erases his work just like this Yankee did.
http://www.freespeech.com/index.php?/freespeech/comments/on_the_lighter_side_of_the_newsweek_scandal/
so I inserted something in his other blog
http://starkravingviking.blogspot.com/2006/10/police-thugs-beating-citizens-while.html

Some of my work is here surf around this blog and try to fathom what I am up to.
http://davidamos.blogspot.com/2005/03/me-and-bush.html

Me and Chucky are here and i am fairly clear.
http://oldmaison.blogspot.com/2006/03/irvings-phoned-blogger-at-home.html

And here is something rather hard to find that I posted three years to the very day after the Department of Homeland security came to my door in the middle of the night and attempted to take me to Cuba just because I tried hard to blow the whistle on Georgey Boy Bush’s malice BEFORE that nonsense in Iraq began. Lets all see if this Blog remains on the web throughout Xmass

http://oldmaison.blogspot.com/2006/04/roomers-truly-have-no-rights.html

Say hey to all your liberal pals and your newfound cop buddies in Fredericton as well for me will ya Frenchie?
Merry Xmass? Bah Humbug. The payback for all your insults is gonna be a bitch next year or my name ain’t Dave. You lived by the blog thus you die by it too in my blog anyway.
Veritas Vincit
David Raymond Amos

P.S.. I almost forgot to mention (not really) the best part of my fun and frolic under the full moon tonight. Read on Chucky about Garth Turner and I. Do ya think a bunch of bureaucrats and politicians in two countries are gonna have a Stormy Monday morning? Methinks Dion will be sorry he ever went for the liberal leader job. Perhaps you should cash in your welfare check and book a one way flight to Cuba so the New York Times can’t corner you with some interesting questions about your own severe lack of ethics EH? In the “mean” time why not have one of your five brains think up a way to convince your lawyer buddy Doherty to argue me court for you for free..Give him the pile of documents and the CD of the Yankee police surveilance wiretap tape # 139 that your dumb as a post pal Vaughn will never hope to understand in a million full moons. There have been two full moons in June since you promised to give my material to Brad Green for me in exchange for the computer I gave you in front of the legislative building that we are both banished from now. My friend watched your friend, the bigot lug it home for you remember? In return you labelled us Hells Angels in the Indy Media then later falsely claimed that I tried to speak from the legislative gallery for the benefit of your buddy the Sergeant and Arms Danny Boy Brussierres.. Even though you knew we were just pigheaded Maritimers like you, you had great fun at our expense. Remember what I said about payback? A good start for you would be to kiss my English speaking arse as I fart God save the Queen in the best tune I can in Tanker Malley and Bev Harrison’s general direction to the chagrin of many a Yankee Special Agent.within the US treasury Dept. Press print on the attachment and ask if Garth will explain the document within his famous Blog. Harper and your god both know that he can’t keep secrets.

http://www.garth.ca/weblog/2006/11/13/of-leaders-and-voters#comment-49224

There appears to be a little delete game between the Upper Canadian Conservative crook, Garth Turner and I within his Blog. It is just like there once was between the Maritime liberal kissarse, Charles Leblanc and I until he stopped allowing me to post anything in his blogs whatsoever. The only words of mine that still stand in Chucky’s are what was said and done on April Fools Day this year. Chucky only acted with some semblance of supposed journalistic integrity merely because I saved all the words on April 1st within my own blog and then busted him in front of his blogger friends. What was once deleted suddenly reappeared. Let see how long they remain thi time around. EH?
Gotcha Gartha.
The count stands at 119 now and I saved it as well.
I have you over the pork barrel now within your own Blog. Why not try a little honesty for a change?
Rest assured it is good for the soul. Furthermore my little Clan could use a little good news these days with the Yankees trying hard to put their Proud Papa back in jail.
The Bush cohorts in the GOP lost their big election in Yankeedoodleland and your old pal Shrub will no doubt suffer the same great fall that Humpty dumpty did this year in the New Year. What harm would there be to blow the whistle on them all now? Just say my name in Parliament and I will handle the argument in court.
Is that too much to ask?
Veritas Vincit
David Raymond Amos

By David Raymond Amos on 12.03.06 7:20 pm

Oh my look I gave it to Dion and his unholy crowd of cohorts first. what was I thinking? Methinks it goes under the heading of Raising Hell. N’est Pas?

—– Original Message —–
From: David Raymond Amos
To: chimeracavern@yahoo.com ; harper.boucher@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ; Dion.S@parl.gc.ca ; Martin.Paul@parl.gc.ca ; Ignatieff.M@parl.gc.ca ; Volpe.J@parl.gc.ca ; Brison.S@parl.gc.ca ; Dryden.K@parl.gc.ca ; McCallum.J@parl.gc.ca ; cotler.i@parl.gc.ca ; roderick.macdonald@mcgill.ca ; kuttner@unb.ca ; dgreen@judicom.gc.ca ; Turner.G@parl.gc.ca ; Chong.M@parl.gc.ca ; oldmaison@yahoo.com ; robertede@gmail.com ; jchretien@heenan.ca ; dscott@blgcanada.com ; Press@devalpatrick.com ; Stephane.vaillancourt@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ; paul.dube@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ; giuliano.zaccardelli@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ; dinoratt@telus.net
Cc: terry.matchett@gov.ab.ca ; bruce.cohen@courts.gov.bc.ca ; barb.hookenson@gov.ab.ca ; anne.mactavish@cas-satj.gc.ca ; talexander@provincialcourt.bc.ca ; beachbj@gov.ns.ca ; wdcheverie@gov.pe.ca ; jppeacock@plhlaw.ca ; gepstein@judicom.gc.ca ; rjuriansz@judicom.gc.ca ; sarra@law.ubc.ca ; jstoddart@privcom.gc.ca ; cthompson@judicom.gc.ca ; bmulroney@ogilvyrenault.com ; cumby.meghan@dailygleaner.com ; duffy@ctv.ca ; tomp.young@atlanticradio.rogers.com ; dwatch@web.net
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:54 PM
Subject: So much for Garth Turner’s integrity EH?

Garth Baby claims that he does not edit his Blog. Methinks I just proven him to be a liar N’est Pas?
Would you seriously take his advice about matters of money know? Credibilty is everything in the money business. Lie about a little and you will lie anout alot.
Veritas Vincit
David Raymond Amos
Perhaps his Canadian Banker buddies should review what CBC has reported and then find all the emails they have received from me over the years. Read it and weep Garth Baby and never forget the attached tiff file that your dumb assistant called me about after Harper had you canned for yapping too much. Press print and have a wise and ethical lawyer call me will ya?
.
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2006/12/01/us-email.html

http://www.garth.ca/weblog/2006/11/13/of-leaders-and-voters#comment-49218

So much for your integrity EH Garth?
For the record this is the text of just one of the letters I sent you in a Tiff file form. Clearly the Governor General thought i was doing the right thing on Septemner 11th 2004 after running for a seat in the 38th Parliament and just before being falsely imprisoned in the USA. What would your former political boss. Mr. Harper do if such things had happened to him? Sue? Am I any less of a man than he?

September 11th, 2004

Dear Mr. Amos,

On behalf of Her Excellency the Right Honourable Adrienne Clarkson, I acknowledge receipt of two sets of documents and CD regarding corruption, one received from you directly, and the other forwarded to us by the Office of the Lieutenant Governor of New Brunswick.
I regret to inform you that the Governor General cannot intervene in matters that are the responsibility of elected officials and courts of Justice of Canada. You already contacted the various provincial authorities regarding your concerns, and these were the appropriate steps to take.

Yours sincerely.
Renee Blanchet
Office of the Secretary
to the Governor General

Bow that you sing the praises of Independent political Canadians why do you continue to ignore my concerns and allegations of financial crimes etc?

Veritas Vincit
David Raymond Amos

P.S. I have saved this Blog to use as evidence against the Crown in Court Perhaps you should call me back. Bow that a writ on the next federal election will no doubt be dropped very soon, there is no time for Ethical Independents to waste. EH? Here my number again 506 434 1379

By David Raymond Amos on 12.03.06 12:32 pm

By David Raymond Amos on 12.03.06 6:40 pm

—– Original Message —–
From: David Raymond Amos
To: chimeracavern@yahoo.com ; harper.boucher@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ; Dion.S@parl.gc.ca ; Martin.Paul@parl.gc.ca ; Ignatieff.M@parl.gc.ca ; Volpe.J@parl.gc.ca ; Brison.S@parl.gc.ca ; Dryden.K@parl.gc.ca ; McCallum.J@parl.gc.ca ; cotler.i@parl.gc.ca ; roderick.macdonald@mcgill.ca ; kuttner@unb.ca ; dgreen@judicom.gc.ca ; Turner.G@parl.gc.ca ; Chong.M@parl.gc.ca ; oldmaison@yahoo.com ; robertede@gmail.com ; jchretien@heenan.ca ; dscott@blgcanada.com ; Press@devalpatrick.com ; Stephane.vaillancourt@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ; paul.dube@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ; giuliano.zaccardelli@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ; dinoratt@telus.net
Cc: terry.matchett@gov.ab.ca ; bruce.cohen@courts.gov.bc.ca ; barb.hookenson@gov.ab.ca ; anne.mactavish@cas-satj.gc.ca ; talexander@provincialcourt.bc.ca ; beachbj@gov.ns.ca ; wdcheverie@gov.pe.ca ; jppeacock@plhlaw.ca ; gepstein@judicom.gc.ca ; rjuriansz@judicom.gc.ca ; sarra@law.ubc.ca ; jstoddart@privcom.gc.ca ; cthompson@judicom.gc.ca ; bmulroney@ogilvyrenault.com ; cumby.meghan@dailygleaner.com ; duffy@ctv.ca ; tomp.young@atlanticradio.rogers.com ; dwatch@web.net
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 2:00 PM
Subject: You can never say ya didn’t know now EH Garth Turner?.

http://www.garth.ca/weblog/2006/11/13/of-leaders-and-voters/#comment-49182
Of leaders and voters

posted by Garth Turner on 11.13.06 @ 2:54 pm |

Canadian Politics

Must be a slow media week in Ottawa, judging from the storm of interest that’s blown up. The rumours are flying that at my press event tomorrow I’ll be announcing my decision to quit being an Indie and start being a Green.

Predictably, that has many visitors to this blog cheering, and many others out for my hide. But everybody should just chill. As I wrote some hours ago, the big issue right now is not me, but rather some disturbing insights into how the “new” government is actually working. I think we should talk about it. This matters a lot more than the fate of one homeless MP.

In fact this out-of-control speculation is exactly why I thought it would be a good thing to have more clarity. So, I won’t be telling you I am joining the Green Party as deputy leader, as is being reported. I will, however, have comments on that party and its leader. I’ll also make it clearer what my intentions are in the next few months.

Mostly, tomorrow is about Canadian voters, about what our political leaders promise and deliver, and what I’ve just learned.

posted by Garth Turner on 11.13.06 @ 2:54 pm |

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Remember me Garth?
Veritas Vincit
David Raymond Amos

By David Raymond Amos on 12.03.06 12:07 pm

Do you agree with what some of your fan club way out west says of me just before I sue the Crown?

http://bpofc.com/?p=109

http://bpofc.com/

http://intothecavern.blogspot.com/

Veritas Vincit
David Raymond Amos

By David Raymond Amos on 12.03.06 12:16 pm

For the record this is the text of just one of the letters I sent you in a Tiff file form. Clearly the Governor General thought i was doing the right thing on Septemner 11th 2004 after running for a seat in the 38th Parliament and just before being falsely imprisoned in the USA. What would your former political boss. Mr. Harper do if such things had happened to him? Sue? Am I any less of a man than he?

September 11th, 2004

Dear Mr. Amos,

On behalf of Her Excellency the Right Honourable Adrienne Clarkson, I acknowledge receipt of two sets of documents and CD regarding corruption, one received from you directly, and the other forwarded to us by the Office of the Lieutenant Governor of New Brunswick.
I regret to inform you that the Governor General cannot intervene in matters that are the responsibility of elected officials and courts of Justice of Canada. You already contacted the various provincial authorities regarding your concerns, and these were the appropriate steps to take.

Yours sincerely.
Renee Blanchet
Office of the Secretary
to the Governor General

Bow that you sing the praises of Independent political Canadians why do you continue to ignore my concerns and allegations of financial crimes etc?

Veritas Vincit
David Raymond Amos

P.S. I have saved this Blog to use as evidence against the Crown in Court Perhaps you should call me back. Bow that a writ on the next federal election will no doubt be dropped very soon, there is no time for Ethical Independents to waste. EH? Here my number again 506 434 1379

By David Raymond Amos on 12.03.06 12:32 pm

By David Raymond Amos on 12.03.06 9:45 pm